The following is part 3 of a transcript of Dr. Robert Rose interviewing Professor /Dr. Brian A Rothbart which originally aired on Blog Talk Radio at “Rewiring Your Brain”. Guests of Dr. Rose are people who are “change agents” that are changing themselves and empowering others.
In the interview, Professor Rothbart talks with Dr. Rose about the therapy he (Professor Rothbart) discovered which ‘rewires your brain’ and allows you to heal from chronic, debilitating muscle and joint pain.
Chronic knee, hip and back pain is a problem of epidemic proportions leaving millions of sufferers desperate to find relief. But after trying invasive surgery and countless therapies in an effort to try something – anything – to alleviate their chronic pain, why are so many still aching with indescribable pain?The answer is that a very common source of chronic musculoskeletal pain has – until now – remained unknown. For this reason, the best that people can do is merely manage their chronic pain. In Professor Rothbart’s groundbreaking book, Forever Free from Chronic Pain, he details his life’s work and discoveries about a previously unknown, yet very common source of chronic muscle and joint pain, and provides a full explanation on how you, too, can finally free yourself from the bonds of chronic pain captivity.
In this interview with Professor /Dr. Brian A. Rothbart on discovering the cause of chronic pain and how to heal it, you will discover:
- Why your current treatments for chronic muscle and joint pain don’t work.
- What is the solution to end your chronic musculoskeletal pain – permanently.How to quickly determine if Professor Rothbart’s therapy is for you.
- How you can take immediate action to rid yourself of your chronic pain.
- How, through advanced technology, your body will heal itself for good
Professor /Dr. Rothbart has spent the better part of 40 years in research and clinical practice in order to first find the source of chronic musculoskeletal pain and then how to permanently eliminate it. In his revolutionary approach, patients the world over have been treated successfully where all past therapies have failed.
Part 3 of the interview is below.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: You know, replacing joints is treating the symptom. If you have a knee where the cartilage has been destroyed, or a hip where there’s no cartilage there, and they say ‘We have to put in a new joint.’ That’s treating the symptom. The question is what’s causing the joint to deteriorate, to become degenerative. If you are born with one of these two foot structures, the way the foot moves can literally change the position of the knee or hip, it’s like a car alignment problem. If the car has an alignment problem, what happens to the tires? You keep putting new tires on, it’s not going to change the alignment, you’re just going to go through tires. The way the foot moves can cause an alignment problem in the entire skeletal framework, which ends up doing to the hip, knee, back, neck and jaw, just like an alignment problem in a car can do to the tires. Now, if you go to a good mechanic, will he tell you just put new tires, or will he tell you ‘Let’s fix the alignment.’ The same thing goes for orthopedic surgery. Does he put in a new joint, as a new tire, or does he say we need to fix the alignment? Which means you don’t have to keep getting new tires.
I’m not against joint replacement when indicated. It’s indicated when the joint is fused, it doesn’t move, then you have to put in a new joint because the joint is frozen, it’s locked, bone on bone, frozen, sealed together. Yes, then in those cases, or in trauma, yes, we do surgery. But for alignment problems, coming from this posture distortions, coming from the way the feet move, which leads to distortion of the knee or hip or back, no, you don’t replace the joint, you fix the alignment and let the body heal itself. And, you know, I’ve had so many patients, just can go on my website, you can read the testimonies, who were scheduled for hip surgery replacement, well change your alignment, and guess what, they never needed surgery, the joint healed itself. It’s not miraculous, it’s the way the body works, fix the alignment, leave the body alone, let it heal itself. So, am I against orthopedic surgery? In most cases, yes. Some cases, no.
DOCTOR ROSE: When you go in to the orthopedic surgeon, that’s his specialty, so he sees you just as someone that needs it, whether you need it or not.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: You can’t do that, you can’t do that. You know, the biggest problem in specialty is you put your blinding sign. You can’t treat parts of the body, you’re treating a person. You’re not treating a knee, you’re not treating a hip, you’re not treating a jaw, you’re treating a human being. And you can’t treat people like parts, you know. We don’t have the luxury of being a mechanic that can just look at your suspension system and forget about the brakes, you know. Because you have to treat the whole person.
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay, they got your point. Okay.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: If I sound excited about it, it’s because I’m passionate. I just feel so strongly about these things, I get a little…
DOCTOR ROSE: Well, it’s pretty obvious. That’s what makes you a good doctor, that’s what made me a good teacher, because we feel for the people we work with.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: You can’t help it, you just can’t help it.
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay. Prolotherapy, what is it?
DOCTOR ROTHBART: Prolotherapy is an idea that came across that, they say ‘All right, there’s a problem with your knee.’ The problem with your knee, this is how they go, the ligaments are weak, they’re stretched out, they’re not supporting the joint. Because, you know that joints are put together by ligaments. Ligaments, you know, hold the joints together. The cerebellum produces the posture, overall body posture, but the ligaments hold the joints in the position you’re in. So, if the ligaments are stretching out, we need to do something about it. So what they do is the put in a sclerosing agent, an agent that makes the tendon shorter. Scar it up, they scar the tendon up, put it in an acid, something that literally shortens the fibers of the tendon and they’re concept is ‘Okay, what we’re doing is we’re shortening the tendons, making them stronger, so the joint will be more stable.’ Well, you know something, that’s okay if you have a wider zone because you’re just looking at the joints, fine, but they haven’t answered the question why is it happening in the first place. So, they fix up the knee and the guess what happens, the ankle goes. Then they do therapy on the ankle and the hip goes. And they do therapy on the hip, the jaw goes. They’re not getting at the cause, so they’re doing management. Just like the thing I’ve said you don’t want to do. You don’t want to be in a life-long pain management program, you want to get the cause and you want to get better. So Prolotherapy is a technique to manage symptoms, that’s all it is, it just manages symptoms.
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay. Standard orthotics, I know that I had… A guy gave me a new set of shoes, you know, and I practically was crippled. I only just threw the damned things away and went back to the shoes I had before.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: When you said orthotics, do you know what just happened? I became six bulls and you showed me a red flag. Not just one bull, I’m now six bulls. Orthotics, they’re worse, they’re as bad as pain medication, as pharmaceuticals, they’re horrible. You know, I’ve done research, I’ve been a researcher, I’ve been actively in research for 40 years and I’ve looked at the effect of orthotics and the skeletal framework. And we have shown through very sophisticated tests that we’ve run, some are on my website, research website, that they actually destabilize the spine, they augment the scoliotic, and kyphotic, the side to side, front to back, curves of the spine. They’re horrible, they’re absolutely horrible.
DOCTOR ROSE: So you’re not a fan of Doctor Scholl?
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: You know something, I’m not even going with that. I could talk for hours on that one. The quick answer is don’t put your money in orthotics, stay away from them, don’t use them. That’s my answer.
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay. Chiropractics?
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: Now, Chiropractics is the same thing like Prolotherapy. It’s a symptomatic approach. You know, if you have a joint that’s out of alignment and it’s pinching a nerve, or a joint that’s not moving because the alignment is incorrect. And you go in to a really good chiropractor, good mechanical engineer, and he puts the joint back into position. It functions better, absolutely. The question is why did it get out of position in the first place? If there was an injury, absolutely, you know. You bended your knee, you twisted, you go to the chiropractic, he puts it back into position, you’re great, end of story, you’re healed. Fantastic. I recommend this highly. But, if you’re in chronic pain, and you’re having one joint after another, giving you a problem, and you in to the chiropractor, you have to go in two or three times a week for the rest of your life, keep putting joints back into proper position, that makes no sense. You’re getting pain management, again, you have to ask the question what’s causing this, get rid of the cause. Don’t treat the symptom, don’t keep putting the joint back into position. Yes, it feels better, yes, I feel better, yes, I can function for a day or two, I want to know what the cause is. Just get at that. So, and the answer about Chiropractics is – depends. If it’s for something that can be fixed – absolutely. But if it’s just pain management with you – no, I don’t recommend it, okay?
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay, now we’re going at the 5000 years of experience and how are you going to, you know, either just you’re young to me or I’m a lot older than you are. So, you’re just a young punk talking about why these things, why doesn’t acupuncture work? It’s got 5000 years of experience.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: It does work, but it’s treating symptoms. When you have acupuncture you’re continually going back for therapy. Unless you get at the root cause, you keep coming back. If they going to identify the cause and knock it off with acupuncture, absolutely do it, it will work. But if they’re treating symptoms only and symptoms keep coming back and back, so you’re going in every week or every two weeks for acupuncture, then you have to again ask the question, what is the cause. Just get at the cause, just not treat the symptoms. So just like Chiropractics, yes, acupuncture works, yes. An indicator for certain things – absolutely. But for chronic pain, chronic debilitating pain, you have to get at the cause, acupuncture in many cases does not. So, you’re going to be end up in a life-long pain management using acupuncture or Chiropractics or physical therapy or drugs. It’s all pain management.
DOCTOR ROSE: Well, then, you’re saying that obviously a thing about massage therapy. the thing about massage therapy from my stand point as a teacher and as a psychotherapist is that when you touch people’s skin it feels so good they don’t give a damn what had happened. You just get that. And whether they like it, admit it or not, it’s a central sexual experience and people, you know, start. So, massage therapy is something that people would really enjoy but I guess what you’re going to say is, about, it doesn’t get to the cause at all.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: I love being massaged, I mean, it relaxes me, it puts me to sleep. I love the Japanese way of life, they feel a massage every week is what invigorates them, what is going to turn their life, and they think it’s fantastic. I’m all for it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying these different approaches aren’t indicated, but what we’re talking about specifically is chronic debilitating pain. That’s what we’re talking about. That’s what I’m talking about massage in that content, we’re talking about massage just to make you feel better, just to relax you, just because it feels wonderful and you love having your neck massaged. Absolutely, I’m all for it, I’m an advocate. So, I’m not against these things, what I’m saying is when it comes to chronic debilitating pain, you’ve got to identify the cause. And interesting enough, my research, what my research comes down to and what I’ve published on, it’s close to 80% of the people in chronic pain, have one of the two abnormal foot structures that you’re born with that leads you into chronic pain. Eighty percent, not a hundred percent, not ninety percent, not everybody.
DOCTOR ROSE: Just because we’re bi-pedal, if we would use our hands like an ape, if we walk like an ape, would we be better off?
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: Probably. If we didn’t wear shoes – probably. If we walked on soft yielding ground, not cement and not hard surfaces, yes, but you know, I see people from East Africa, they don’t know what shoes are and they’re in chronic pain. They walk in the jungle and they’re in chronic pain. Why? It’s because they were born with one of these two foot structures. So, yes, shoes aggravate it, hard surfaces aggravate it, walking on two aggravate it, your weight, extra weight aggravates it, poor nutrition aggravates it, high stress aggravates it, all these are secondary issues that aggravate it. But get at the cause, get at the cause, the primary cause. Eighty percent, primary cause, it’s the foot with the bone, the structure in the foot that leads them into chronic pain. My book goes into it, step by step, the research, how I found it, how it works, how we reverse it. And by the way, just a quick statement, there’s nothing to do with the, has everything to do with the central nervous system. The signals coming from your feet to where you walk, send signals to the brain where you are in space, the cerebellum acts on those signals to adjust your posture. If the foot doesn’t move correctly, it twists, it’s moving in linear fashion, you get a distorted signal that goes to the cerebellum. The cerebellum can’t see the body, it only knows where you are by the signals coming from various parts of the body. That distorted signal the cerebellum ends up in distorted posture and distorted posture ends up in chronic muscle and joint pain. That’s the very quick simple message of my book, that it talks about.
DOCTOR ROSE: Okay, then. The last thing you have here…
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: Do you realize, by the way? Do you realize, in 30 seconds, I threw a lot of information at you in 15 seconds?
DOCTOR ROSE: That’s okay. It’s recorded, so we can always go back and listen to it. All right. You know, unfortunately, I don’t make a living as a therapist, but I’m sure that a lot of therapists will be upset about this, that my body…
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: They do it all the time! You know, every time I open up my mouth, I make enemies because I keep giving this message. Because, you know, the next people are going to hate me are the dentists. Right now, dentists doing orthodontic reconstruction love me. You know why? Because I’m not challenging what they’re doing in the mouth. But I’m starting to do that, so I know the dentists are going to start hating me too. Because all the stuff they’re doing in reconstruction, heroic reconstruction of the jaw, forty-fifty-sixty thousand dollars to grind on your teeth, reposition, put on braces, put you in an orthodontic brace, and they don’t know what they’re treating, they don’t know the cause. They’re treating symptoms and they’re doing all this stuff. And I’m starting to say ‘Hey, you guys, we got to get to the cause, you can’t do this stuff, this is wrong.’ And you know what’s going to happen? If you look at the dentists now, they say ‘Rothbart, he’s a good guy.’ I’ll make you a bet, in 2 or 3 years, I’m going to be a bum. I’m going to be someone you stay away from, I’m going to be the worst individual in medicine and dentistry that ever came on this Earth. I’m not going to be liked, because my message is really strong, it is ‘If you don’t know what you’re doing, don’t do it. Find out the problem, treat the problem’ or if you don’t know the cause, be honest with your patient, say ‘I don’t know what’s causing the problem, so I’m going to treat your symptoms, I’m going to manage your symptoms for the rest of your life. And I’m going to do it by giving you drugs, putting you in physical therapy, sending you here, sending you there. And, you know, the insurance may pay for it, but guess what, you’re going to get worse, it’s going to be worse, you’re going to become disabled, you’re going to end up very, very sick, but that’s all I can do, I’m sorry, I don’t know the cause.’ If you’re going to do that, at least be honest, you know, be honest with the patient, and tell him upfront what’s going on.
DOCTOR ROSE: Well, I’m in the same ballpark as you are because first, I’m an atheist and I write about atheism, second I’m a teacher who attacks the public school system because I think it’s ineffective. So, I’m not exactly the most beloved teacher in the world. Except for the people that I actually thought, you know, anyway. So, what you’re saying… okay, instead of me telling it, why don’t you kind of wind up? Well, first of all again, tell us how to get your book? And then wind up about and give us just a brief summary of what you want the people to take out of this.
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: Okay.
DOCTOR ROSE: Then you’re going to come back in another time and finish your book, okay?
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: You can get the book at Amazon.com. And what you do is, all you have to do is Google at Amazon my last name – Rothbart. And you’ll see ‘Forever Free From Chronic Pain’ and you can buy it that way. Or you can go on my website. My website is the name of the book foreverfreefromchronicpain.com. You can go there and you can buy the book off the website. Or, if you wish, you can go to my patient website curingchronicpain.com is the URL, buy it off of that site. Anyway that’s how you can get the book and you can buy it electronically, very extensive, I think 7 or 8 hours whatever it is, or you can buy the hardcopy book, either way. My total message today, if you got through my over exuberance and my delivery here, how passionate I am on this, and if you could stand how excited I got from all these things that we talked about, if you got through all that, my message is very simple. Chronic pain is endemic, we are in a crisis of chronic pain in the world, United States and the world. Presently, chronic pain has been treated symptomatically, which means pain management, it doesn’t work. People are getting sicker and sicker and sicker, they’re becoming disabled, they’re life is being destroyed. This is not acceptable, it’s not acceptable because we now know what causes chronic pain in the vast majority of these cases. The cause has been identified and a therapy has been made available, which reverses and eliminates the cause, which takes people out of debilitating, agonizing, unbearable pain. So that’s my message. When you’re going for therapy, get at the cause, get the cause treated and get yourself well. Don’t be allowed to be put in pain management, that’s my message.
DOCTOR ROSE: Brian, then, in your book, do you at least refer them, so they know who to go to, to get this kind of help?
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: What I do is, yes… if you read the book, it gives you all the things you need to know and how you can ask the questions to find out if the physicians are trained or not, or they’re able or where to go, yes. Or they can contact us, there’s a contact number there on the site, it’s International Academy of Rothbart Proprioceptive Therapy, it’s in the book, it’s a training center, it trains physicians all over the world in my therapy, they can write an e-mail to that Academy and we can help them from there, so yes.
DOCTOR ROSE: Oh, great. Okay well, like I said, I would like you to come back in your future and finish what you’re talking about and about the book. And I love your passion. So, I’ll send you an e-mail about getting back and…
PROFESSOR ROTHBART: Thank you, thank you for inviting me on your show. I enjoyed this.
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Professor/Dr Brian A Rothbart
Chronic Pain Elimination Specialist
Discovered the Rothbarts Foot and PreClinical Clubfoot Deformity
Developer of Rothbart Proprioceptive Therapy
Inventor and Designer of Rothbart Proprioceptive Insoles
Founder of the International Academy RPT
Author of Forever Free From Chronic Pain and The Foots Connection to Chronic Pain